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April 24, 2011

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TimJHughes

Thanks for this and previous thought provoking posts Tessy. I've been reading Alinsky recently and have had some nagging concerns about his method - and more particularly how it's being appropriated - that I haven't quite been able to articulate to myself, but your posts have helped.

I think my concerns rest on the fact that Alinsky's tactics are - as he himself emphasises - focused on organising communities of interest, not communities of place. Therefore, to an extent I can see that conflict tactics could achieve positive outcomes, and even unite, a community of interest, but like you I am concerned by their affects on communities of place.

I'm unsure what the government's intentions are (maybe somebody will be able to tell me), but if the community organisers are to organise communities of place it seems they will inevitably struggle to juggle the many communities of interest that exist in an area. I can see a role for "organisers" to facilitate a collaborative process and develop dialogue between different groups, much as you outline above. But I struggle to see how an adversarial model could operate, particularly as they have no democratic mandate.

If on the other hand they will organise communities of interest, I'm uneasy about the concept of government sponsored community organisers that favour particular communities of interest and prompt conflict between them.

This is all a very roundabout (and most likely incoherent) way of saying that I like your thinking.

Toby Blume

Tessy
another typically thought provoking post on a subject i am (as you know) particularly interested in.
i will pick up some of the points you've made on my own blog (when i can find a few minutes to bash them out), but wanted to make a couple of immediate comments in response....

I see no reason why we should expect a model based in a very different time and space (Chicago....not Dr Who!) to be right for 21st century UK communities. However, i equally see no reason why we cannot develop our own model of community organising that takes account of the points you raise. I am committed to playing whatever role i can in doing that.

I also think it's difficult to adhere too closely to a particular model (of anything) to meet the complex and diverse challenges and needs different communities face. I would also favour collaboration over conflict wherever possible...but i do believe that sometimes it's hard to see how progress could be made without conflict. Would Apartheid in South Africa have been overturned without conflict? Even if collaboration also played an important part? i'm not sure.

I admire the way you have put forward new thinking and stimulating debate on a topic which has been too polarised between fairly dogmatic perspectives. Not all of Alinsky's ideas are bad and not all are good...similalrly not all of community organising is about Alinsky! We must have a more nuanced and sophisticated debate....and you've helped that to happen.

Toby
ps Tim - my take on what the government's intentions are here: http://bit.ly/gOddm1 & http://bit.ly/gOddm1

Melanie Bryan

Big Society - active, imaginative and responsible participation - love it!

Most of the new rules hit the mark for me - I have always had issues with a number of Alinsky's tactics. But I'd add another one along the theme of 'there is no enemy in community': 'it's our little imperfections that make us all the more charming - nobody's perfect.' - if we all remembered this perhaps we'd recognise that every strength has a corresponding weakness and vice versa - play to the positive everytime!

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